Decklin
posted 05-19-2001 01:54 PM
Its preferable if its on this board, but if that isn't possible (or until it is) I could easily add a p/w protected server op forum on the decklinsdomain ezboard if you like?
GTWS
posted 05-19-2001 02:28 PM
I do think this would be valuable on this board as well.
The Prisoner
posted 05-21-2001 09:29 AM
I agree that it should be loacted on this board and everyone should be able to see who is being banned. Those who's names appear then can have a chance to argue their being banned. I dislike the PW board idea.
The 1st entry should have the list, edited to keep it current rather than just adding another post. That way you do not have to search thru all the threads to determine who is on the list and who has been removed. A job for the moderator(s).
Sortiri
posted 05-21-2001 09:53 AM
Innocent until proven guilty...
I do not like cheaters, hackers, or others that are out to spoil the fun of others. However, I do believe that if so accused, the right to defend ones actions should be allowed.
Ignorance is not a defense.
A list of offenders is appropriate, but only if the actions are judged inappropriate by a panel of peers, and the "trial" with "prosecution", "defense", and "sentence" posted.
As a suggestion...Server Ops the "jury", moderators the "judge", both decide "sentencing".
In the event ops or mods in offense, ops stand before other ops and mods before mods and sentencing to involve both.
Offenders must be notified and allowed to present a "defense".
Ban list to be provided to Server ops and moderators thru a non-pubic forum.
If offense deemed serious enough, than a public warning should be issued through a public list.
Just my opinon. (and yes I know the quote
GTWS
posted 05-21-2001 10:37 AM
Sortiri has put into words what I was asking for. My intention was not to publicly humiliate or "brand" anyone. My intention is to protect my server and the exceptional players that support it. I will keep my server clean in the best interests of Demise and the community. I do not allow the unscrupulous to play when it deters from the enjoyment of others. I would hope for a place to discuss quietly the actions of suspicious people and of known offenders. Personnally, I will confront anyone that I think is suspicious, if I can't outright prove something. If I can prove something, then I protect my server to the best of my ability. I do not approve of a ban list. I would approve of a list that specifies known abusers, but not at the expense of embarrassing someone publicly (even though I really dislike cheaters, hackers, etc.). I am not willing to be a judge of others publicly or privately. But I do favor making facts available to others privately. Full time server ops should be able to share facts and come to their conclusions about specific indviduals, without having to server hop and post details on what somehas done on their server. General users have the ability to post issues about other players on the server they are playing on.
In Summary, a board that can provide facts about questionable players, without public humiliation, would be a nice addition. If the rest of the community thinks this is a bad idea, then Decklin has provided a good alternative.
Hounder
posted 05-21-2001 06:57 PM
If anything, I am pretty sure that those who have been discovered just going around and store raiding can and should be put on a list noting them as store raiders. If they show that they are contributing in some way again, then they should be removed, of course.
rc
posted 05-22-2001 06:37 AM
i don't play MP anymore, but the cheater/hacker thing 'can' get out of control. I was once banned for buying a padded leather cap, from a server. Was pretty funny actually.
GTWS
posted 05-22-2001 08:05 AM
Actually, I don't think the store raiding is as big a deal as one might think. I am mostly concerned with hacked games\characters. As far as raiding goes, a temporary ban to the offender with an explanation of why usually fixes the issue. This is done confidentially and the offender either gets the message and complies, or just doesn't come back. The thing I don't understand about raiding is why would anyone come on to a server, raid the store, then connect to another server? Why not just play on the server they raided? This way a person can be a contributor, and reap the benefits of playing with some very good players.
dougis
posted 05-22-2001 08:59 AM
I like the idea of a list so we can attempt to keep the servers clean, but I would also like to see a list for users to see the types of things that can lead to problems(anything we can do to make a newbies life easier is a good thing). This way the info is all in one place (for those who care to look)
Decklin
posted 05-22-2001 11:46 AM
Thought about it some more ... IF there is a list/forum it should be here so I retract my offer! This is a game and I get extremely uncomfortable with "policing" activities. I leave my demo open - I have had hacked chars, items and other problems but just shrugged my shoulders and reset the server. I keep the Full ver P/W protected but give it to anyone Ive seen/read posts that emails me - if there's problems I'll flame them via email
Anyway ... a 'closed thread' with a guideline for game etiquette is a good idea I think.
Sorry if this is rambling but I guess I'm leaning to the opinion that a 'public offenders' list would seriously harm the 'conviviality' of this community ... nothing wrong with a closed server op forum so we can argue with each other tho, is there?
GTWS
posted 05-22-2001 12:16 PM
Decklin, I agree that publicly scrutinizing others would cause discontent and eventually push away players that should otherwise be rightfully playing. Demise should remain a fantasy world for us to escape. Bringing reality into fantasy destroys the fun ! There are a few that don't want to play by the rules, but I guess that's why there is a backup feature on the server ! Maybe there will be a patch someday to get the anti-cheat setting to work.
Dogg of Demise
posted 05-22-2001 04:57 PM
I pretty much agree with Decklin that there would be more damage to mp acomplished then any benifit by open accusations at this time. I thought if there was enough intrest that a private fourm to disscuss server problems might be apporiate. But I'm not seeing a whole lot of intrest here. Personaly I've found if you run a open server with a lot of players they will pretty much police it as they see fit. (if they don't like the way a player behaves they'll end up chaseing him/her out) as far as the raiding goes most the open servers are so overstocked thats its realy only a problem on a newbie server.
GTWS
posted 05-22-2001 08:02 PM
I agree with Dogg- unless there are objections- I think it's time to kill this post.
GRAND_QUEST_MASTER
posted 05-23-2001 05:00 PM
It is such a shame that after all that wonderful "arguement" it came out to stay just the way it was before....
