Demise: Rise of the Ku'tan: Demise will not run after new install

Demise will not run after new install

Macabee
posted 02-26-2001 12:58 PM
Hi. I built a new system (Athlon 950/Asus A7Pro/192MB RAM/3 HD/DVD/GeForce2/SB:LIVE) and tried moving my old Demise game to the new PC. I installed over the (copied) directory. The game does not run! I get the splash screen, then a long pause, then back to the desktop. The mouse pointer busies for about 2 seconds then NOTHING. I am using the lastest drivers (ASUS's drivers for the V7700) and DirectX 8.0a. Everything else seems to work.
Oh, by the way, don't try this, as installing deleted all my old stuff anyway!

Dogg of Demise
posted 02-26-2001 03:10 PM
Well you could have just done a new install with all patches you had in the old install then delete it and transfer the old one in and run it. but now it sounds like you got a corrupt install. Did you happen to keep a copy of your old game somewhere else?

Macabee
posted 02-26-2001 03:31 PM
Nope, the old copy had since been blown away, as I reused the HD from my old system.
I have uninstalled and killed all DEMISE and Artifact Entertainment registry entries. I even tried installing the demo, but that just won't work either. By the way, this is a WinME system...

Macabee
posted 02-26-2001 03:32 PM
I *REALLY* want to play this game again, and I don't know what to do next. I am an IT Manager with over 9 years of PC experience, too, so I ain't a dummy...

rosefix
posted 02-26-2001 03:44 PM
Try installing demise and patches as stated in many posts here and make a char, go in dungeon at least once and then only copying the demisecharacters.ded, demisestore.ded (or .mis for mp), demisecompanionstore.ded (or demisecstore.mis for mp) from your old demisedir over the ones from the new install. If the old files aren't corrupted, this should give you back at least the characters and stores. If other files might be working this way I can´t say.

Varzil
posted 02-26-2001 03:51 PM
quote: By the way, this is a WinME system...
This is the most finicky version of Windows I have ever run across.
If you can grab a copy of W2K use that. It seems to be less finicky with Demise and systems in general. I have installed it on a lot of different systems with some really strange configurations and have only had one problem which a bios flash solved.

Macabee
posted 02-26-2001 04:49 PM
rosefix: thanks for trying, but, as I said earlier: I am NOT a dummy. I have been playing with Demise since it was Mordor 2, and am well aware of the common install issues. This seems to be uncommon... Also, as I mentioned earlier, I reused the drive that used to have my Demise game, the whole thing is history. Unrecoverable. (Poor me, I have to play all that again :-D )

Dogg of Demise
posted 02-26-2001 10:20 PM
Ummm your char file may still be ok but you want to drop it in after installing the game and restarting the computer befor running the game then start it run the char then shut down and patch. The store and stuff goes in after everthing has been patched and run to the same point as your old install.

Macabee
posted 02-27-2001 03:50 AM
Thanks again, Dogg, but I just want the game to run at all. I installed it again after cleaning off my system. Will not run, in the same manner as above. What next?

Dogg of Demise
posted 02-27-2001 09:02 AM
Sounds like it could be a driver problem. Mabe try the detinator 2 drivers from nivida. Ive read that Me can have a problem with the det3 drivers though I've not had any problem with them. Also I think I remember some ppl had a problem with Demise and that sound card. Do You mabe have an old sb16 or something you could stick in and try instead.

Macabee
posted 02-27-2001 11:10 AM
The only real changes from Demise working to Demise not working is as follows:
New MB (ASUS AVPro & Drivers/Utilities, from ATrend 6450?)
New CPU (Athlon 950 Thunderbird from P-III 450)
New Video (ASUS V7700 Deluxe w/ASUS drivers and utilities, upgraded from Diamond Viper TNT2 Ultra card using Detonator3 drivers)
The game ran great before that. Even ran after the upgrade, but was looking for Custom Pics in the wrong path. I reinstalled and since then: no game, even after clean install.

Arkeld
posted 02-27-2001 01:40 PM
"I get the splash screen, then a long pause, then back to the desktop. The mouse pointer busies for about 2 seconds then NOTHING." Hm, I do get that too sometimes (but very rarely) and have no idea what could cause it. If I launch Demise again after that it works though. Very strange. Since you say it ran even after the upgrade, I'm assuming that something went wrong when you reinstalled it. But you say you cleared the registry. So it can't be a leftover from the previous install. Logically, the new install must be the problem. Sorry to say, but I'm at a loss here. Best I can offer you is go to a PC store and ask them how much they'll charge you to install a program for you. Soon as they give a price, hand them the PC and Demise and let them sort it out. If they succeed you won't have wasted your money. And if they fail it won't have cost you anything.

rosefix
posted 02-28-2001 06:51 AM
AGP might be the problem, I found that even W2K hanged from time to time until i installed newest bios (1005d) and Via AGP Drivers for my Asus A7V. In the latest Bios version i can finally switch between AGP 1x 2x 4x and Demise crashed no more, even in AGP 4X mode. Also switching from ACPI to standard computer in control panel might help (no more irq 9 for all devices)

Morek
posted 03-01-2001 03:14 AM
Well, just to add to the suggestions... It seems to me that you have three hds(?)... In wich one is demise? Also is the ultradma settings for this drive ok? About the sb:live. It is PCI isn´t it? Are you overclocking you pc? Are the multipliers ok in the bios? FSB and PCI? Is your FSB 133 MHz? The latency of the ram is ok? You could also try to disable all the tray thingies

One other thing... IT seems to me that you can install it and try to run it, but what graphic mode are you using? On a very far sidenote, you could also download a program called filemon (short for filemonitor) and take a look at the demise process and see which files might be causing this problem... You can also download a program called regmon, clean your demise install, and monitor what registry changes it is making... I have only started using those two programs and it is slow going, but i hope i will discover some new things about demise.....

JP
posted 03-01-2001 07:30 PM
You can also try the quick easy fix I had with some ATI and Nvidia vid cards and certain Motherboards. Run dxdiag and go to Display and disable the AGP Texture Acceleration. Problem on those particuilar combos disappeared.

Macabee
posted 03-02-2001 05:06 AM
Well, problem mostly solved! I bought WinCleanup2000, and, as I suspected, the problem lied in the Registry! Demise left so many entries in the registry (without the words "Demise" or "Artifact Entertainment" in them, that as soon as I cleaned out the registry, everything ran smoothly. Only one problem left, and that is that I have to run in DirectX mode, as OpenGL gives me screen garbage. Maybe I'll re-install GLSetup, then my vid driver, then DirectX again... Thanks for the input all.

Varzil
posted 03-02-2001 08:36 AM
What are your frame rates in DirectX? If you are getting over 30 in DirectX, I would not worry about OpenGl too much.

Macabee
posted 03-02-2001 09:28 AM
Frame rates? Over 70, in non-combat conditions.