Demise: Rise of the Ku'tan: Uninstalling DirectX8 and returning to DX7

Uninstalling DirectX8 and returning to DX7

Guran
posted 01-05-2001 09:12 AM
After I installed DirectX8 on my system the game has stopped responding under 3D. It runs for a few rooms and then stop responding; I have to "reset" my computer everytime. Since the game was running perfectly fine under DirectX7.a I assume it has something to do with the new version of DirectX. Does someone knows how to uninstall 8 so I can reinstall 7 ?

Varzil
posted 01-05-2001 11:37
Re-install Windows. Quoted from the Microsoft DirectX Site quote: Q. How do I uninstall DirectX? A. DirectX 8.0 is a system component and cannot be uninstalled. If there is a problem with the DirectX install, it can normally be resolved by shutting down all running applications and reinstalling. As mentioned previously, DirectX 8.0 is fully backward-compatible with titles written for previous versions of DirectX. If you are having other problems after installing DirectX 8, these can often be resolved by installing updated drivers for your display card, audio card, or input device.

Tony
posted 01-05-2001 11:41 AM
It's impossible to uninstall DirectX. There are uninstall programs but they didn't work for me.. only way is formatting the hard drive and starting from the beginning... BTW I have DirectX 8 and playing without any problems, except the usual 400 bugs..

Tony
posted 01-05-2001 11:47 AM
Re-install windows, don't work.. It won't replace the newer DirectX files...

Vorlin
posted 01-05-2001 04:17 PM
I've run Demise for considerable time with Dx8 under both OpenGL and D3D, so I'm thinking what you have is a driver problem, and not a Demise problem.

Guran
posted 01-05-2001 05:30 PM
Don't worry Vorlin. I definitely know that it is NOT a Demise problem! It's a Microscrap problem. Win2K,128 RAM,Sound Blaster Live,NVidia TNT2 Model 64

IanthePez
posted 01-05-2001 05:56 PM
Have you tried updating your video drivers since you got direct x 8? Just a thought since there aren't too many ideas here

Decklin
posted 01-05-2001 09:00 PM
Running two servers (demo and full) and playing games on either ... I have had no problems related to DirectX 8.0 .... except finding out the reason I couldn't join Baldurs Gate MP was a bug in BG with TCP/IP ! I'd vote for the driver update ...

Guran
posted 01-10-2001 03:27 PM
J'ai tout essayé, That is correct, I tried it all! And I can officially tell that I cannot play DEMISE in 3-D under DirectX8. Unfortunately playing the game with less than 3-D makes the game 90% less playable for me. Having Win2K means no OpenGL for me! But maybe it is only the fact that my frame rate is between 60 fpm and higher (above 100). Maybe that high a frame rate cannot be recognized by the game ? How to reduce the frame rate ? Trying very hard to stay playing the best game ever!

Hounder
posted 01-10-2001 05:05 PM
No problems here actually with it. Guess I am lucky.

None the Wiser
posted 01-13-2001 04:12 AM
Actually you can uninstall DirectX - I think this site has the details - http://www.ammoburners.com/3dxtreme/files.shtml

Guran
posted 01-13-2001 10:07 AM
Well None, I guess you were the Wiser!

Guran
posted 01-13-2001 10:11 AM
Well None, I guess you were the Wiser! I went to the site you linked above but instead of getting the instructions to uninstall DirectX8 I found there a beta version of video drivers for my card that were specific to DirectX8. Crossing my fingers but it seems to have done the trick, there are a small hickup of a fraction of a second once in a while but the game no longer freezes and force me to do the three finger salute to my computer (Alt/Crtl/Del) nor the one finger salute (reset button). Hopes it continues that way! The new drivers for my NVIDIA TNT2 video card are version 717 (instead of 631 official)

Guran
posted 01-18-2001 11:34 AM
I guess that it did not totally solved the problem. But it did last a lot longer! Hope that whoever created DirectX will made available an upgrade soon!

Kmgrover
posted 01-21-2001 11:53 AM
I've got DX8 and Nvidia drivers v 361 and there's no problem with 3D.

Tony
posted 01-22-2001 09:33 AM
quote: Originally posted by Guran: Hope that whoever created DirectX will made available an upgrade soon! DirectX 8.0 is new.. so there wount be an upgrade for a long time... What you need is upgrade for your hardware.. I hade problems.. bought a new motherboard.. no more problems..

Guran
posted 01-22-2001 10:04 AM
As a matter of fact I believe that my hardware is TOO NEW for the game. Too fast, too powerful! AMD Athlon 750Mhz; 128 RAM; NVidia TNT2 64 32Megs; the best I can think now is that when the frame rate goes above 150 the game stops responding.

Dogg of Demise
posted 01-22-2001 11:10 AM
Well I have a faster cpu more ram and the same video card and don't have this problem so I dont think your system is to fast.

Guran
posted 01-22-2001 04:25 PM
least someone tells me that it is not my system! Trying very hard to figure it out. When I use the least cpu system (last of the three solutions) I can "play" the game for about 20 minutes before it quits on me (return to desktop). have read a lot of this kind of problem in the past but never experienced them before I went above 400 Mhz (previous computer was a 333 Mhz). If it is not DirectX8 nor my system WHAT IS IT ???????? Leaving for a week on a very needed vacation, see you on Jan 30/01

Dogg of Demise
posted 01-22-2001 04:51 PM
Hmmm have you checked to see if your Video card or sound card are sharing resorces/IRQ's with anything? Plus Ogre was telling me his TNT based card was having issius with Athalon cpu's <EDIT>No wait a min it was his sound card not the vid card!!!!!

TheDuke
posted 01-23-2001 06:15 AM
You *are* using Win2k Directx8? Just checkin'

Dogg of Demise
posted 01-25-2001 09:07 AM
I got this in reply to the question you emailed me
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Dogg of Demise
posted January 23, 2001 12:08 PM
Hi I just got this question from a friend I thought I'd throw it out here cause I don't know the answer
Then I've got a stupid question (not being a computer specialist)! How do you assign different IRQs in Win2K ? I've got both cards (audio Sound Blaster Live and video NVIDIA TNT2 model 64) on IRQ 9. 2-4-7-10-11 are available, most are on 9 including smart modem!
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Pure Luck
posted January 23, 2001 04:23 PM
Tell him to go to system properties/device manager and double click on "computer" at the top. If it is set-up as an acpi pc, he will not be able to manually assign irq's. If he changes it to a standard pc, he might be able to through the bios. Here are a couple more very informative discussions on the subject.
http://discussions.virtualdr.com/Forum4/HTML/003210.html
http://discussions.virtualdr.com/Forum4/HTML/002720.html

Azratax
posted 01-26-2001 03:21 PM
Guran, im afraid i'll have to kill you. over 150 frame rate?!?! i have a tbird 1ghz (running@900)640mb ram, and a geforce 256 32mb (ddr), and i rarely get over 80 fpm.... And, no, i dont have any thing constructive to say... :-P -Az Actualy, mabey i do.... This prolly isnt too helpful, but im gonna ghost my system and then try installing dx8... see if my demise still works (and hopefully, it will fix all those damn video problems when i go around corners...

Xantert
posted 01-29-2001 02:27 AM
DirectX8.0 is a problem. I don't know how Demise can handle it, but I found out that an other game didn't see the version installed when directX is installed. Kept asking about version 6.1 or higher. I thought 8.0 was abit higher then 6.1. So there is a bug/compatibility problem in DirectX 8.0. Just for the info

TheDuke
posted 01-29-2001 07:52 AM
When I overclocked my videocard the fps when looking into a certain spot rose from 60 to 110 so setup can matter... Videocard and soundcard on same IRQ? Interesting... and a modem too? Even more interesting.

Titanmaster
posted 01-29-2001 10:58 AM
Most of the the games that require DX will fail to find the correct version (it only looks for the exact version or for versions between the minimum and the one it wants to install), however most of these will still allow the game to be installed/run without installing DX. Also of the many games that must *see* their packaged version of DX being installed only see the install programs proper exit signal (errorlevel=0) and assumes that it was installed correctly, however DX is fairly clever for something produced by MS, old versions will detect new versions and *install* without copying files

Guran.. Just one question did you have demise running on *that* system before installing DX8? by this i mean have there been any tweaks made to the agp settings or bios settings at all that may cause demise to over work any of your mainboard components. These would include FSB speed (memory fail), agp speed (Video card fail) or processor speed or voltage (cpu grumbles). I am also going to ask the same question as TheDuke. Did you install the correct version of DX, you know that there are two versions right?. Only asking because it wasnt answered earlier. OK, i lied several questions. have you installed all of the latest demise patches?

Guran
posted 01-29-2001 10:09 PM
Sorry guys, I just came back from a 7 days very much needed vacation trip. One: Yes I have installed the correct version of DirecX8 for Win2K. Two: As this is a new computer DX8 was installed prior to the game. Three: Since it is a new computer it is unfortunately ACPI compliant. . . 7 devices on IRQ 9 !!! And last, Sorry Azratax but my frame rates are vvveeerrryyy fast in non-combat mode! My God, it is a lot better than the 4 fps I used to have on level 3 beach at the time of the betas. ;-)

Guran
posted 02-10-2001 11:04 AM
This almost solved my problem but even at 750 MB the game still stopped responding. Now having the page file system at min 1GB max 2GB it has not stopped responding so far, but then I tested the game only for an half hour since updating the virtual memory. Let's hope
----- Original Message -----
From: Demise
To Guran
Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 10:20 AM
Subject: RE: DEMISE: Win2K minimum Paging File Size inquiry
Hi, I run my paging file at an initial size of 750MB and have the maximum set to 1.5GB - You can use the task manager to find out how much memory your system is using. Right now with Visual Studio, Source Safe, Word and Sonique open, my system is using 349MB You can look at the Commit Peak to know the maximum your system uses. Thanks, Rick Simmons, Artifact Entertainment L.L.C., Director of Software Development

-----Original Message-----
From: Guran
Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 10:02 AM
To: DEMISE
Subject: DEMISE: Win2K minimum Paging File Size inquiry
Just wondering if the size of the "paging file" (virtual memory) is high enough on my computer and that maybe, just maybe, that would be the reason why the game stops responding in the dungeon. It is currently set at 200. What size should it be at ? Thks, Guran, the reformed Twisted Dwarf PS: After installing DirectX8a (avail 2001-02-05) 2 days ago the game kept going on longer (about 3 minutes) before hanging up. Also while on non D3D mode the game did not stopped responding but at some point I lost the wall/floor/ceiling pixels (white on white) and had to rely on the automap to move around (monsters where not affected by this). IT WAS WEIRD!

rosefix
posted 02-21-2001 07:31 AM
Somewhere I read the paging file should be approx 2*installed ram. My Comp runs fine at 256MB RAM with an static 768MB paging file. If you could set up the paging file on a different hard drive than your winnt system folder (different physical drive to be more specific) and make it static (min=max size). Even your ACPI system should be run as Standard PC if you go my computer/control- panel/system/hardware/device manager/computer and choose properties and replace driver Just choose show all and then standard PC, but have all drivers ready - many coponents will be installed new.