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GAMES THAT CRASHES, Demise, Porsche Challenge

2 games of 48....

I hade forgoten about NFS Porsche...


Morek
posted 12-04-2000 04:12 AM
You might want to check some things... Dont know if it will help... First are you overclocking your processor or video card? Check on the bios and make sure your speed setting for the procesor matches... Second you might want to TRY disabling ultra dma and using the hd on pio mode 0 just for testing purposes... Win Me or my system ust dont get well together with ultradma...

A question... When it crashes, does the sound keeps playing in loop i mean does the sound freezes? When it crashes does the hd light stays on and dont turn off again? Are you playing with the cd? If yes try disabling music and not using the cd... Perhaps it will not help you but hey, computers are an art not a science

Just kidding... Sincerely hope this helps or we will try till you get tired


Tony
posted 12-04-2000 11:12 AM
First are you overclocking your processor or video card? No. Check on the bios and make sure your speed setting for the procesor matches....Yes, it does. Second you might want to TRY disabling ultra dma and using the hd on pio mode 0 just for testing purposes... How ? Will there be any problems when doing it ? A question... When it crashes, does the sound keeps playing in loop i mean does the sound freezes? Sound stopes, get's very quiet :-( When it crashes does the hd light stays on and dont turn off again? Don't have a clue... never look... next time I will look.... Are you playing with the cd? Already tryed that, still crashes...


Vorlin
posted 12-04-2000 11:58 AM
I was reading over this thread, and the question came to mind: by 'crash', do you mean that you are getting a Windows error message, or that the game is freezing up on you? Because Demise has a tendency (which IMO has grown greatly since the 353 patch) to freeze up from time to time, often for a few minutes. If that is the case, then you can wait it out. I figure it's not, but no harm in me checking with you just in case.


Tony
posted 12-04-2000 04:07 PM
I know what you mean, but the "freezes" you mean only last for a short while... I though it was that the first time... but after 10 minutes I figured that it wasn't... Good to hear not only me got the short freezes.. wonder if it's the same error... And I don't get any error message, not Windows, Demise or DirectX... none.


Dogg of Demise
posted 12-04-2000 04:26 PM
This sounds like what I'm haveing with Win Me. But I dont get them any where near as often. But when I first upgraded to Me and the patch (almost at the same time) I got these permanate lockups/crashes about every 45 minutes of play time. I haven't a clue as to why they seem to be clearing up. Did you upgrade to Me or was it a clean install?


Pyro
posted 12-04-2000 10:11 PM
Just my two cents on the crash problem i always had and what seemed to cure it. Demise would usually crash out to the desktop when i was in town, usually when i clicked the arrows and the dungeon icon. First thing i found: only did it when i had mapped new stuff in the dungeon. It seemed like it was holding the new mapping in ram and overflowing when i reached town. Cured it by updating the drivers for the intell chipset on the motherboard. Don't ask what this had to do with it but it worked, have not crashed out to the desktop since. Don't know if it did anything for the other games I have since I have not played anything else since buying Demise. (Should be a BIG warning on the box about this) Now once in a while I get an invalid page fault error. Have yet to find a reason for that but if I do, will post it.


Morek
posted 12-05-2000 07:35 AM
Well, about the ultradma and pio 0: I would advise you to try it based on my experiences. Problem is your entire system will get slower... I have permanently disabled ultradma in my machine Shuttle mobo with Via Apolo Pro 133 Chipset and Samsung HD. It gets slower but i avoid the crashes that are not only demise related but happens very rarely outside of demise... If you want to solve your problem try everything, so you might go to the bios and disable ultradma and set pio mode to 0 (the really important part is disabling ultradma...) Try it, see if it solves. If not then active that again and we will keep trying. Hope this clarifies things a little bit.
DISCLAIMER: AFAIK there is no harm involved in the above procedure (i.e. disabling ultradma and setting pio to 0) I have tried without any harm. I dont have enough knowledge to be certain that this will hold true in all systems...


Karelzarath
posted 12-05-2000 09:39 AM
I have Win2K and Demise works just fine for me. No short freezes, no problems whatsoever. Maybe it's a WinME issue. I never did trust the Win98 kernel.



Dogg of Demise
posted 12-05-2000 11:11 AM
I tryed to reinstall one of my win 2000 betas but it won't load now must be the time limit now I'm stuck with the dual boot crap and 2000 won't boot.


Tony
posted 12-05-2000 11:36 AM
Made a Clean WinME installation... I have no problems in the city and I can't update the Intel Chipset.. when I try it says something about the system suports something blah blah.. don't remember.. diden't work anyway :-) I tryed Win2000.. only game that worked was Demise... other 40 games diden't.. you know why I don't use Win2000 ?


Varzil
posted 12-05-2000 12:18 PM
You could always dual boot between them. It does look like a problem between WinME and Demise. At least you can get about 40 games to run on WinME. I have a computer here at work that I tried loading it on that would not even run with WinME. A lot of people have had compatability issues with WinME.


Dogg of Demise
posted 12-05-2000 07:40 PM
Well I got win 2k installed now to see if I can get demise to work on it


Moogie!
posted 12-09-2000 11:18 PM
I have 2 computers and I played Demise on both. The only problem I had with freezes was on the one that I installed windows ME. I heard the drivers in that version are a bit unstable for some games to play. I FDisked and did a clean install on Win98 and it worked fine, did the same and put Me back on and freezes happen again.


Karelzarath
posted 12-12-2000 08:52 AM
WinME is a piece of crap. It's the most unstable version ever. I've been suggesting that no one use it. Win2K is much better and has a stronger featureset.


Dogg of Demise
posted 12-12-2000 09:15 AM
Ok I installed win 2k and it runs demise ok BUT when I run the game the video shifts down .5" and to the left .250" and It did this when I ran it with the beta 3 and RC2 and 3 too. Im running a Nivida Riva tnt2 m64 32meg on a PIII 533 with a Iwill vd133 main board and during the beta I wasn't even running the same machine and I had a tnt 16meg oh and Im running in D3d mode any Ideas why I get the shift?


Karelzarath
posted 12-12-2000 09:52 AM
Video mode. Sometimes, when the computer changes video mode, you have to manually recenter/resize the image. Try fiddling with the knobs/buttons on your monitor until the image is centered and the right size.


linuxz
posted 12-22-2000 04:00 PM
well windows me could be the problem i would say go with windows 98 se till services pack 2 or 3 for me comes out in time me will have a better drivers database but for now its buggy also there is a program called taskinfo its free its kinda like ctrl alt del but more advanced and can debug some crashes worth a shot good luck


evets
posted 12-26-2000 08:42 AM
I have been running the demo version of Demise now for 3 months with Windows Me and have had very few problems. I also run an Asus card (V3800) with Nvidea 5.13.

I will be ordering the full version very soon - hope the full game remains as stable as the demo. I do have a problem and I'm unable to run Scrabble but aside from that ME has been very stable compared to Win98.


Tony
posted 12-27-2000 02:39 PM
I'm back!!! :-) Got new motherboard, CPU and memory.. Running without any problems now! :-)


Drifter
posted 12-27-2000 04:21 PM
I find I have less crashing problems on ME than I did with either 98 or 98se. The strangest thing with ME is that it "burns in" very nicely. Meaning that after a fresh install I had a fair amount of problems with different programs. Now that I've had ME running straight now for about 4 months or so the majority of crashes just cleared up by themselves. On a side note I usually exit demise after about 2Hrs, maybe less and then run Fix It utilities to get rid of the Demise bak. files. This seems to free up all my ram and whatnot, then I'm able to start playing again for a couple of hours without having to reboot. Worth a shot since it works for me. Good Luck. PS, I would love to have Win2000 but can't afford it. Maybe next year or wait for Whistler to come out.


Tony
posted 12-28-2000 11:00 AM
Demise bak. files ????? What ? Can you explain ?


Varzil
posted 12-28-2000 11:03 AM
He is killing his demise backups. I do hope he does not get corruption and needs to do a restore, because he will not have anything to restore from. To free up memory, try this utility http://www.analogx.com/contents/download/system/maxmem.htm This program will free up memory that has been grabbed by an app and not been returned. Keeping you from having to reboot Windows.


Tiburon
posted 12-28-2000 12:08 PM
And both Demise server and client seem like they're big memory wasters...


Tony
posted 12-29-2000 11:40 AM
Thanks Lucky I diden't do anything with my bak files :-)

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